The injury list. twentytwenty3

[F111]

It's called professionalism. Expectations, standards, markers, goals, outcomes, learnings! The money shifts the demands and the pressure to perform every single week. You fail, team fails, coach fails...etc. The game has changed and there's no going back, right or wrong. Ya dreamin' if you think otherwise.

Personally, I'd rather see Van Der Haar style professionalism. Another freak. Build pools, drink and smoke and take speccies and kick goals week in week out. I like Hobbs partially because he seems to have a resilience about him (moz alert!)

However we all know that's not how it is. The system just isn't the same. Tsatas hasn't come from a solid base...2022 wasn't a solid year for him physically. What is his real base? How do clubs measure resilience in draftees. Can they?

I know an ex AFL player who was a very solid performer at under age footy. B&F in just everything (including one of the biggest feeder leagues in Vic), muscular, hard worker, driven, fit, "leadership" written all over him as a 15yo. The only injuries he ever had were bruises from opponents trying to take him out. Generally too clever for them all. Top 15 draft pick. Come AFL...injuries, loss of form and eventually cut after maybe 5 years. Just couldn't get on top of it.

It's a hard sport, no protection except a mouthguard. The step up is enormous. The freaks do it better. How do we identify the freaks at 15 yo?

Rowell seems a freak. Injured lots. Horne-Francis..injured, surgery pre Xmas...the list could go on. It's a tough sport.

[nudder12]

TW was a freak. There are the occasional rare ones.

Tall skinny blokes still growing are rarely amongst them.

The game is different, just a bit. Harder grounds, more grip, no soft landings...pressure, pressure, pressure..

The other factor might be individual drive. Doing that little bit more, then twang. Dunno if any of this fresh group are guilty of that but the pressure to achieve and succeed.

Maybe too much science, more Tommy Hafey?

Yeah… it’s an interesting debate in regards to “game is different” and all those other factors.

My concern is that someone like Tsatas has been at the club all of 5 minutes and he’s buggered. There’s no match day pressure, just the loads thrust upon him by the club at training.

We have been superb in damaging our players at training. We do it every year, and the injuries are generally longer term or chronic.

In days gone by… players would have day jobs - working in construction, road crews, and other labour intensive work. Then they’d turn up to training during the week and play on Saturday’s. Maybe their physical jobs conditioned them better for the rigours of footy. A lot of them had pretty strong thighs and calves… and a strong core.

Perhaps these days they are trying to build the ultimate running machine rather than heavier muscle bound gladiators.

Dunno.

The "running machine" stereotype is an interesting one.
Maybe we should recruit more blokes like this....
https://twitter.com/Adelaide_FC/status/ ... 3bNoqURgxA
Sorry about it being just a link.....really wish we could post pics/images that weren't publicly hosted

[F111]

... I like Hobbs partially because he seems to have a resilience about him (moz alert!) ...

I take full responsibility.

Essendon midfielder Ben Hobbs has been sidelined with a calf strain following training last week.

Hobbs suffered an early onset of calf tightness during main training last week and an MRI confirmed he has a low-grade strain. Hobbs is set to miss the next few weeks of pre-season training

[BenDoolan]

“Early onset calf tightness”
“Low grade strain”
“His calf has settled quickly and should only require a small de-load before he re-enters the program in the coming weeks”

Translation: Should be available for finals if we make it

[nudder12]

“Early onset calf tightness”
“Low grade strain”
“His calf has settled quickly and should only require a small de-load before he re-enters the program in the coming weeks”

Translation: Should be available for finals if we make it

De-load, Early Onset, Low grade........I think I've discovered the reason for the injuries the players get.
When they listen to the "performance" Department talking about how to manage their fitness, the players have NFI what they're talking about.
Whatever happened to - "he has a minor calf strain and should be right in 2 weeks" ????

[BenDoolan]

“Early onset calf tightness”
“Low grade strain”
“His calf has settled quickly and should only require a small de-load before he re-enters the program in the coming weeks”

Translation: Should be available for finals if we make it

De-load, Early Onset, Low grade........I think I've discovered the reason for the injuries the players get.
When they listen to the "performance" Department talking about how to manage their fitness, the players have NFI what they're talking about.
Whatever happened to - "he has a minor calf strain and should be right in 2 weeks" ????

I literally cracked up laughing reading that rubbish.

[robrulz5]

Deload is a BS term. You can't deload a muscle but you can rest it until it heals. Placing any load on a muscle that is still injured sounds pretty silly.

[grassy1]

Deload is a BS term. You can't deload a muscle but you can rest it until it heals. Placing any load on a muscle that is still injured sounds pretty silly.

Deload! Just when you think you’ve heard a Bullshit Term,something like this pops up!Give me Strength!

[nudder12]

Deload is a BS term. You can't deload a muscle but you can rest it until it heals. Placing any load on a muscle that is still injured sounds pretty silly.

Can we get Novak Djokovic into our medical/fitness team? Even torn hammy's aren't a problem for him.

[BenDoolan]

Deload is a BS term. You can't deload a muscle but you can rest it until it heals. Placing any load on a muscle that is still injured sounds pretty silly.

Can we get Novak Djokovic into our medical/fitness team? Even torn hammy's aren't a problem for him.

lol true

Play a final in a Grand Slam event with a torn hammy - no problem.

Do a hammy in The Hangar, and you won’t see them for months.

[robrulz5]

Deload is a BS term. You can't deload a muscle but you can rest it until it heals. Placing any load on a muscle that is still injured sounds pretty silly.

Can we get Novak Djokovic into our medical/fitness team? Even torn hammy's aren't a problem for him.

lol true

Play a final in a Grand Slam event with a torn hammy - no problem.

Do a hammy in The Hangar, and you won’t see them for months.

Unfortunately our players don't have the mental strength and resilience a world class athlete like Djokovic does.

[mdso]

Maybe we need to get people like Ash Barty and Novak Dokovic to talk to the players about fitness and how to stay fit and healthy. What it takes. Goodness knows both Ash and Novak played with and through injuries which should have ruined their chances, yet they managed to come through it all to win. That is all about mind-set and guts.

All sport has a lot to do with one's mind-set, natural ability will only get one so far. It is that special something which many players seem to lack. Our athletic team used to see a bloke called Fergie Speakman in Abberfeldie who helped us stay in good shape. He trained and looked after many elite athletes including professional Stawell Gift runners and Olympic athletes. Rarely, following injury, would anyone be off the track for long. In the winter, we used to train at Portsea with Percy Ceretti. He would have us running up and down the beach dragging a tyre through the water for hours and running up and down sand dunes. Mind-set is something which cannot be taught, it has to be learned through hard work.
Once learned, it is the fuel which keeps you burning until guts takes' over. Both Ash and Novak have it in spades.

[mdso]

Maybe we need to get people like Ash Barty and Novak Dokovic to talk to the players about fitness and how to stay fit and healthy. What it takes. Goodness knows both Ash and Novak played with and through injuries which should have ruined their chances, yet they managed to come through it all to win. That is all about mind-set and guts.

All sport has a lot to do with one's mind-set, natural ability will only get one so far. It is that special something which many players seem to lack. Our athletic team used to see a bloke called Fergie Speakman in Abberfeldie who helped us stay in good shape. He trained and looked after many elite athletes including professional Stawell Gift runners and Olympic athletes. Rarely, following injury, would anyone be off the track for long. In the winter, we used to train at Portsea with Percy Ceretti. He would have us running up and down the beach dragging a tyre through the water for hours and running up and down sand dunes. Mind-set is something which cannot be taught, it has to be learned through hard work. Once learned, it is the fuel which keeps you burning until guts takes' over. Both Ash and Novak have it in spades.

[BenDoolan]

Maybe we need to get people like Ash Barty and Novak Dokovic to talk to the players about fitness and how to stay fit and healthy. What it takes. Goodness knows both Ash and Novak played with and through injuries which should have ruined their chances, yet they managed to come through it all to win. That is all about mind-set and guts.

All sport has a lot to do with one's mind-set, natural ability will only get one so far. It is that special something which many players seem to lack. Our athletic team used to see a bloke called Fergie Speakman in Abberfeldie who helped us stay in good shape. He trained and looked after many elite athletes including professional Stawell Gift runners and Olympic athletes. Rarely, following injury, would anyone be off the track for long. In the winter, we used to train at Portsea with Percy Ceretti. He would have us running up and down the beach dragging a tyre through the water for hours and running up and down sand dunes. Mind-set is something which cannot be taught, it has to be learned through hard work.
Once learned, it is the fuel which keeps you burning until guts takes' over. Both Ash and Novak have it in spades.

Ah yes, the sand dunes. That’s what killed Scott Gumbleton apparently, and Filthy was livid with John Quinn because of it.

Just by the by, John Quinn prepared our last premiership team…

[F111]

Fitness is one thing but comparing AFL footy and its injuries to tennis and athletics is like comparing rugby with golf. There's no achilles, calf or hammie to stand on to support that comparison.

[nudder12]

Fitness is one thing but comparing AFL footy and its injuries to tennis and athletics is like comparing rugby with golf. There's no achilles, calf or hammie to stand on to support that comparison.

Calf injuries are uncommon in tennis, but if you've not heard of achilles and hammies you haven't been paying attention.
Djokovic @ AusOpen says Hi

[Windy Hille]

Deload is a BS term. You can't deload a muscle but you can rest it until it heals. Placing any load on a muscle that is still injured sounds pretty silly.

Deload! Just when you think you’ve heard a Bullshit Term,something like this pops up!Give me Strength!

Ha ha

May as well throw in “unstrain” for the rehab. At some point they’ll get to “rewind time” so they can put in corrective measures to avoid the injury in the first place!

[boncer34]

Maybe we need to get people like Ash Barty and Novak Dokovic to talk to the players about fitness and how to stay fit and healthy. What it takes. Goodness knows both Ash and Novak played with and through injuries which should have ruined their chances, yet they managed to come through it all to win. That is all about mind-set and guts.

All sport has a lot to do with one's mind-set, natural ability will only get one so far. It is that special something which many players seem to lack. Our athletic team used to see a bloke called Fergie Speakman in Abberfeldie who helped us stay in good shape. He trained and looked after many elite athletes including professional Stawell Gift runners and Olympic athletes. Rarely, following injury, would anyone be off the track for long. In the winter, we used to train at Portsea with Percy Ceretti. He would have us running up and down the beach dragging a tyre through the water for hours and running up and down sand dunes. Mind-set is something which cannot be taught, it has to be learned through hard work.
Once learned, it is the fuel which keeps you burning until guts takes' over. Both Ash and Novak have it in spades.

Ah yes, the sand dunes. That’s what killed Scott Gumbleton apparently, and Filthy was livid with John Quinn because of it.

Just by the by, John Quinn prepared our last premiership team…

So did Sheedy......


Interesting that Brad Scott bought in the Brisbane Lions guy to work part time with our staff. Seems to be a solid appointment that's slipped under the radar.

[F111]

Fitness is one thing but comparing AFL footy and its injuries to tennis and athletics is like comparing rugby with golf. There's no achilles, calf or hammie to stand on to support that comparison.

Calf injuries are uncommon in tennis, but if you've not heard of achilles and hammies you haven't been paying attention.
Djokovic @ AusOpen says Hi

The "achilles, calf, hammie" comment was in place of a "leg".

There're hammies and there're hammies. Tennis hammie v footy hammie. I doubt Djokers hammie was anything like an AFL style hammie.

[robrulz5]

Fitness is one thing but comparing AFL footy and its injuries to tennis and athletics is like comparing rugby with golf. There's no achilles, calf or hammie to stand on to support that comparison.

Calf injuries are uncommon in tennis, but if you've not heard of achilles and hammies you haven't been paying attention.
Djokovic @ AusOpen says Hi

The "achilles, calf, hammie" comment was in place of a "leg".

There're hammies and there're hammies. Tennis hammie v footy hammie. I doubt Djokers hammie was anything like an AFL style hammie.

Correct. Hamstring injuries playing footy tend to happen when a player tries to stop suddenly while for Tennis it is likely an overstretch that causes the injury. We will see many more happen to footy players due to these athletes having much stronger quads than hamstrings.