Round 16: Ess vs Handbaggers

[BenDoolan]

You f****** CHEATING c***!!!

[BenDoolan]

f****** absolute trash umpiring. Completely f***** us royally. Incompetent c**** should be sacked on the spot. Turned a bloody good contested game into a f****** farce.

I suppose the f***-wits at AFL house will come out during the week and tick off all those downright pathetic decisions that quarter. Nothing surer.

f****** mofos.

[s'dreams]

That said Benny, our forwards did not work hard enough.

Stringer had 2 goals in Q1 and nothing since.

WTF is Menzie in the backline? He is a small forward.

Delivery into the forwardline is shithouse.

And Draper has had a shocker.

[s'dreams]

Also - the idea of running a very tall forwardline on a miserable pissing down night was just dumb.

At the time of this post - Stengle has 3 goals, Dempsy 2, Rohan 2, with singles from their midfield

Ess small forwards: Gresham 1, Hind 1, Merrett 1. Our smalls were useless once the ball hit the ground.

Since Half Time - Geelong 10 goals, Ess 2.

[Wally]

Typical Essington. Soft and weak. As soon as opposition brings the pressure, the whole team revert back to pathetic dumb football. Way too many passengers and junk continually get picked week in week out. A lot of supposedly “great” players are massively found out. Pathetic effort.

[s'dreams]

FYI - against top 8 teams this year... 1 win (GWS), 1 draw and 5 losses (about to be 6)

Pretenders.

The soft draw in the first half of the year has hidden the structural problems and poor skills in the team.

There are also too many downhill skiers being carried.

[BenDoolan]

That said Benny, our forwards did not work hard enough.

Stringer had 2 goals in Q1 and nothing since.

WTF is Menzie in the backline? He is a small forward.

Delivery into the forwardline is shithouse.

And Draper has had a shocker.

We were well and truly in the game before those corrupts c**** destroyed it. It even continued at the start of the last quarter when they ignored a push in the back to Ridley - ending in a goal to Geelong. Then they also ignore a throw from Dangerfield which led to another goal.

I don’t blame the the guys packing up their kit and checking out of this game.

It would have to be one of the most disgraceful umpiring influenced games I’ve ever seen.

Absolute shit.

[billyduckworth]

Umpiring was absolutely disgusting in that third quarter, but in the end we just weren't good enough. Every time we come up against decent opposition we get absolutely shown up. If by some miracle we manage to make the eight, we will get spanked in the elimination final yet again.

[grassy1]

And AGAIN!

Who was the ****** that defended these c**** last week?

Me!

Missed the fun!

Too busy Celebrating a Rare Win my way!

[Windy Hille]

What a miserable night in all manner of ways. Weather was horrible. Result just as bad.

Good first half of footy though. Quality game with good skills despite the sleet and sodden mosh.

We seemed to dominate play around the ground and thrusted inside 50 many times but really didn’t hit the scoreboard as we could have. A number of ‘almost’ marks and fumbling at crucial times resulted in repelling exits.

The second half was a forgettable display from umps and us in general. It’s the old throw in the towel type effort which was behind us I thought. Disappointing. While things go against you , you need to knuckle down and double down. That’s what separates the sultanas from the rabbit shit.

There is a nexus on the team selection policy but if they can go for balance ahead of structure, then we might blunder our chances again. This is a danger period in our season. We have fallen off the perch many times in the final couple of months. I fear it may happen again.

Detach. Reset. Bunker. Thrust.

[nudder12]

We seemed to dominate play around the ground and thrusted inside 50 many times but really didn’t hit the scoreboard as we could have. A number of ‘almost’ marks and fumbling at crucial times resulted in repelling exits.

The second half was a forgettable display from umps and us in general. It’s the old throw in the towel type effort which was behind us I thought. Disappointing. While things go against you , you need to knuckle down and double down. That’s what separates the sultanas from the rabbit shit.

That's pretty much it.
Terrible forward play, and dropped our heads when things went against us.

Our gameplan and our personnel were exposed tonight.
Still 4th, but nowhere near a top 4 side.
Interesting to see Brad's response for the rest of the season....he can carry on as usual and hope we end up in finals, or he can acknowledge we are nowhere near it and start the adjustments for 2025 right now.

[MH_Bomber]

Yes the umpires had a terrible effect on the game but but but but the game was ours in the 2nd qtr. We totally dominated possession, held it in our forward line and just could not convert dominance into scoreboard pressure.

As for the goals we gifted them with just completely dumb footy in the backline. It was line watching a train wreck.

Draper needs to do more.

Martin and Menzie experiment in the backline has to end. That ARE NOT backmen. Menzie needs to be in the forward pocket and Martin on the wing.

I would not have dropped Caddy.Some guys have to in from the 2s. There are too many not doing enough.

[BenDoolan]

Yes the umpires had a terrible effect on the game but but but but the game was ours in the 2nd qtr. We totally dominated possession, held it in our forward line and just could not convert dominance into scoreboard pressure.

As for the goals we gifted them with just completely dumb footy in the backline. It was line watching a train wreck.

Draper needs to do more.

Martin and Menzie experiment in the backline has to end. That ARE NOT backmen. Menzie needs to be in the forward pocket and Martin on the wing.

I would not have dropped Caddy.Some guys have to in from the 2s. There are too many not doing enough.

It felt like we should have been 5 or 6 goals up during that 2nd quarter. As you said, we failed to capitalise on our dominance.

[s'dreams]

Yes the umpires had a terrible effect on the game but but but but the game was ours in the 2nd qtr. We totally dominated possession, held it in our forward line and just could not convert dominance into scoreboard pressure.

As for the goals we gifted them with just completely dumb footy in the backline. It was line watching a train wreck.

Draper needs to do more.

Martin and Menzie experiment in the backline has to end. That ARE NOT backmen. Menzie needs to be in the forward pocket and Martin on the wing.

I would not have dropped Caddy.Some guys have to in from the 2s. There are too many not doing enough.

Re Menzie - someone said that he is being tried in the backline because it is a last chance saloon for him. The club likes his ethic and attitude, but don't think he is up to the job of small half forward.

They have tried a number of players in this position in recent times - Snelling, Cutler, Menzie, Davey, Tsatas, and even Kelly.

Maybe if they just worked out what they want from whoever they put there.

[s'dreams]

The upshot of the shithouse performance by the umpires in the 3rd quarter ... is that the AFL CEO will no longer explain contentious umpire decisions on Mondays AND the AFL will no longer comment on umpire calls.

That'll fix the umpiring /s

It has got to the point that Gerard Whatley has called for a Royal Commission into AFL umpiring: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... dbd4ace2e7

From Channel 9:

Footy boss Laura Kane personally apologises to Bombers coach Brad Scott after shock umpire call
Anna Pavlou
Updated July 1, 2024 - 9.38pm. First published at 9.24pm
Kane to back away in shock AFL move

Caroline Wilson has confirmed that there will be a "reset" with communication between AFL House and the public, with the league conceding that "several" of the umpiring decisions during Essendon's 45-point loss to Geelong were incorrect.

During the third term in Saturday's match, Essendon's Jye Menzie grabbed the footy inside Geelong's goal square and chose to run the ball through for a rushed behind.

While Geelong small forwards Ollie Dempsey and Brad Close were nearby, the pair backed off and ran sideways, leaving Menzies to step over the line without attempting to dispose of the ball.

Under the AFL's rules, players in defence can rush the ball through for a point if they are under immediate pressure from opposition players inside the 10 metre goal square, which technically, those Geelong players were.

However, the field umpire called the ball back and paid it as a deliberate rushed behind, awarding Geelong a free kick from 10 metres out, directly in front of goal.

Now Wilson has confirmed that AFL footy boss Laura Kane has admitted fault for the call.

Kane has apologised for the deliberate rushed behind decision, putting in a personal call to Bombers coach Brad Scott on Monday.

"What happened today, is that (Essendon coach) Brad Scott received a phone call from ... Laura Kane, obviously wanting to talk about the 'series of unfortunate events', as the Essendon coach called them," Wilson said on Nine's Footy Classified on Monday night.

"She's admitted first off, that the Jye Menzie rushed behind, she's apologised for this. The umpires have admitted this was the wrong decision.
Ollie Dempsey and Brad Close appeal and Jye Meznie runs the ball through for a behind.

"They've admitted that was wrong."

But, there was even further fallout after Kane's call, with Scott opting to meet with umpiring stakeholders, to participate in a robust conversation around the round 16 decisions.

"What happened after this conversation ... (Scott) had a lengthy meeting with Michael Jennings, the umpires' coach and Steve McBurney, the umpires' boss, just pleading for some clarity on what is the philosophy around 'holding the ball'," Wilson said.

"The umpires are saying that not every decision in that series (Essendon vs Geelong) was wrong, but certainly ... several of the decisions were wrong.
Essendon


It comes as the league undertake a "pivotal shift" on how umpiring decisions will be explained going forward, in what Wilson labels as "big concessions from the AFL".

"There has been a reset at AFL HQ, that too much focus has been on umpiring, it's taking up too much time," she said.

"I think that's a really significant shift. The AFL is insisting and Laura Kane is saying that they want to continue to be as transparent as possible, happy to explain (decisions).

"But no more Monday televised explanations, as we've been seeing all year."

The Bombers went down to the Cats by 45 points, dropping to fourth on the ladder after the loss.

[grassy1]

The upshot of the shithouse performance by the umpires in the 3rd quarter ... is that the AFL CEO will no longer explain contentious umpire decisions on Mondays AND the AFL will no longer comment on umpire calls.

That'll fix the umpiring /s

It has got to the point that Gerard Whatley has called for a Royal Commission into AFL umpiring: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... dbd4ace2e7

From Channel 9:

Footy boss Laura Kane personally apologises to Bombers coach Brad Scott after shock umpire call
Anna Pavlou
Updated July 1, 2024 - 9.38pm. First published at 9.24pm
Kane to back away in shock AFL move

Caroline Wilson has confirmed that there will be a "reset" with communication between AFL House and the public, with the league conceding that "several" of the umpiring decisions during Essendon's 45-point loss to Geelong were incorrect.

During the third term in Saturday's match, Essendon's Jye Menzie grabbed the footy inside Geelong's goal square and chose to run the ball through for a rushed behind.

While Geelong small forwards Ollie Dempsey and Brad Close were nearby, the pair backed off and ran sideways, leaving Menzies to step over the line without attempting to dispose of the ball.

Under the AFL's rules, players in defence can rush the ball through for a point if they are under immediate pressure from opposition players inside the 10 metre goal square, which technically, those Geelong players were.

However, the field umpire called the ball back and paid it as a deliberate rushed behind, awarding Geelong a free kick from 10 metres out, directly in front of goal.

Now Wilson has confirmed that AFL footy boss Laura Kane has admitted fault for the call.

Kane has apologised for the deliberate rushed behind decision, putting in a personal call to Bombers coach Brad Scott on Monday.

"What happened today, is that (Essendon coach) Brad Scott received a phone call from ... Laura Kane, obviously wanting to talk about the 'series of unfortunate events', as the Essendon coach called them," Wilson said on Nine's Footy Classified on Monday night.

"She's admitted first off, that the Jye Menzie rushed behind, she's apologised for this. The umpires have admitted this was the wrong decision.
Ollie Dempsey and Brad Close appeal and Jye Meznie runs the ball through for a behind.

"They've admitted that was wrong."

But, there was even further fallout after Kane's call, with Scott opting to meet with umpiring stakeholders, to participate in a robust conversation around the round 16 decisions.

"What happened after this conversation ... (Scott) had a lengthy meeting with Michael Jennings, the umpires' coach and Steve McBurney, the umpires' boss, just pleading for some clarity on what is the philosophy around 'holding the ball'," Wilson said.

"The umpires are saying that not every decision in that series (Essendon vs Geelong) was wrong, but certainly ... several of the decisions were wrong.
Essendon


It comes as the league undertake a "pivotal shift" on how umpiring decisions will be explained going forward, in what Wilson labels as "big concessions from the AFL".

"There has been a reset at AFL HQ, that too much focus has been on umpiring, it's taking up too much time," she said.

"I think that's a really significant shift. The AFL is insisting and Laura Kane is saying that they want to continue to be as transparent as possible, happy to explain (decisions).

"But no more Monday televised explanations, as we've been seeing all year."

The Bombers went down to the Cats by 45 points, dropping to fourth on the ladder after the loss.

How About Goyder,the AFL Commission and The Rules Committee,f****** Well Come out and say,what they can't bring themselves to say,..........

"We Will Leave the Rules Alone for 2 or 3 Years!"

Just too hard for them to do,isn't it?

:

[BenDoolan]

The upshot of the shithouse performance by the umpires in the 3rd quarter ... is that the AFL CEO will no longer explain contentious umpire decisions on Mondays AND the AFL will no longer comment on umpire calls.

That'll fix the umpiring /s

It has got to the point that Gerard Whatley has called for a Royal Commission into AFL umpiring: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... dbd4ace2e7

From Channel 9:

Footy boss Laura Kane personally apologises to Bombers coach Brad Scott after shock umpire call
Anna Pavlou
Updated July 1, 2024 - 9.38pm. First published at 9.24pm
Kane to back away in shock AFL move

Caroline Wilson has confirmed that there will be a "reset" with communication between AFL House and the public, with the league conceding that "several" of the umpiring decisions during Essendon's 45-point loss to Geelong were incorrect.

During the third term in Saturday's match, Essendon's Jye Menzie grabbed the footy inside Geelong's goal square and chose to run the ball through for a rushed behind.

While Geelong small forwards Ollie Dempsey and Brad Close were nearby, the pair backed off and ran sideways, leaving Menzies to step over the line without attempting to dispose of the ball.

Under the AFL's rules, players in defence can rush the ball through for a point if they are under immediate pressure from opposition players inside the 10 metre goal square, which technically, those Geelong players were.

However, the field umpire called the ball back and paid it as a deliberate rushed behind, awarding Geelong a free kick from 10 metres out, directly in front of goal.

Now Wilson has confirmed that AFL footy boss Laura Kane has admitted fault for the call.

Kane has apologised for the deliberate rushed behind decision, putting in a personal call to Bombers coach Brad Scott on Monday.

"What happened today, is that (Essendon coach) Brad Scott received a phone call from ... Laura Kane, obviously wanting to talk about the 'series of unfortunate events', as the Essendon coach called them," Wilson said on Nine's Footy Classified on Monday night.

"She's admitted first off, that the Jye Menzie rushed behind, she's apologised for this. The umpires have admitted this was the wrong decision.
Ollie Dempsey and Brad Close appeal and Jye Meznie runs the ball through for a behind.

"They've admitted that was wrong."

But, there was even further fallout after Kane's call, with Scott opting to meet with umpiring stakeholders, to participate in a robust conversation around the round 16 decisions.

"What happened after this conversation ... (Scott) had a lengthy meeting with Michael Jennings, the umpires' coach and Steve McBurney, the umpires' boss, just pleading for some clarity on what is the philosophy around 'holding the ball'," Wilson said.

"The umpires are saying that not every decision in that series (Essendon vs Geelong) was wrong, but certainly ... several of the decisions were wrong.
Essendon


It comes as the league undertake a "pivotal shift" on how umpiring decisions will be explained going forward, in what Wilson labels as "big concessions from the AFL".

"There has been a reset at AFL HQ, that too much focus has been on umpiring, it's taking up too much time," she said.

"I think that's a really significant shift. The AFL is insisting and Laura Kane is saying that they want to continue to be as transparent as possible, happy to explain (decisions).

"But no more Monday televised explanations, as we've been seeing all year."

The Bombers went down to the Cats by 45 points, dropping to fourth on the ladder after the loss.

Happy with that. Glad they admitted mistakes. That’s all we ask for ffs.

Further to that, I’m glad BS sought further clarification from the umpiring mob. Gotta be clear on how HTB is viewed by them so we can be clearer on training players to deal with it.

So Ridley was HTB (despite having no prior) because he made no realistic attempt to get rid of it. Ok (not that I agree with that).

Stewart wasn’t HTB (despite taking several steps and taking on tacklers) because he DID attempt to get rid of it (even though he didn’t dispose of it correctly). Ok (not that I agree with that AT ALL).

What a fkng farce they are making of rules and interpretations.

I don’t think they’re saying they won’t explain contentious decisions in future, they said they won’t be televising them. That’s the way I read it anyway…

[s'dreams]

What a fkng farce they are making of rules and interpretations.

I don’t think they’re saying they won’t explain contentious decisions in future, they said they won’t be televising them. That’s the way I read it anyway…

They AFL didn't explain the decisions to the public ... who after all are paying for the competition one way or another,

They did explain it to Brad Scott and did apologise for wrong calls. The only way we know about it is Scott leaked.

That is really undesirable that we find out second hand.

The reason why they won;t explain to the public is ... it is taking up too much of senior exec's time ...

I come back to the contention that if the AFL doesn't sort this out, it will kill off the game much quicker than any competition from Soccer or NRL ever will. And we have seen the extent the AFL goes to try to compete with these.

I think the AFL also needs to sort out the rules at the end of season and put a 3 year no-change policy in place. Also cut back to 3 umpires. The 4 doesn't work.

[nudder12]

Yes the umpires had a terrible effect on the game but but but but the game was ours in the 2nd qtr. We totally dominated possession, held it in our forward line and just could not convert dominance into scoreboard pressure.

As for the goals we gifted them with just completely dumb footy in the backline. It was line watching a train wreck.

Draper needs to do more.

Martin and Menzie experiment in the backline has to end. That ARE NOT backmen. Menzie needs to be in the forward pocket and Martin on the wing.

I would not have dropped Caddy.Some guys have to in from the 2s. There are too many not doing enough.

Re Menzie - someone said that he is being tried in the backline because it is a last chance saloon for him. The club likes his ethic and attitude, but don't think he is up to the job of small half forward.

They have tried a number of players in this position in recent times - Snelling, Cutler, Menzie, Davey, Tsatas, and even Kelly.

Maybe if they just worked out what they want from whoever they put there.

The Menzie experiment in the backline is an absolute farce.
The bloke played small fwd 2023 and was 2nd in our goalkicking (about 23 goals I think).
But apparently that's not good enough - if it was good enough they'd leave him there.
But our other options as a small forward this year have kicked roughly nowhere near as many goals as Menzie did.
Sooooo....instead of trying them somewhere else, we try Menzie somewhere else!! What???
Here's an idea..... instead of banishing him to the backline because he didn't do enough as a forward, even though he did better than anyone else tried there, how about we try to just make him even better as a small forward??
Like, seriously, 23 goals is a great starting point. Why would you throw that away?

They know what they want from our small forwards..... pressure.
OK, maybe I'm old fashioned, but what I want from a small forward is GOALS. Why the heck else do you pick a small forward? If pressure is all you want, we might as well have McGrath or Heppell or Kelly or some other defender as our small forward. It's crazy. (and 3 years behind the trend)

[grassy1]

What a fkng farce they are making of rules and interpretations.

I don’t think they’re saying they won’t explain contentious decisions in future, they said they won’t be televising them. That’s the way I read it anyway…

They AFL didn't explain the decisions to the public ... who after all are paying for the competition one way or another,

They did explain it to Brad Scott and did apologise for wrong calls. The only way we know about it is Scott leaked.

That is really undesirable that we find out second hand.

The reason why they won;t explain to the public is ... it is taking up too much of senior exec's time ...

I come back to the contention that if the AFL doesn't sort this out, it will kill off the game much quicker than any competition from Soccer or NRL ever will. And we have seen the extent the AFL goes to try to compete with these.

I think the AFL also needs to sort out the rules at the end of season and put a 3 year no-change policy in place. Also cut back to 3 umpires. The 4 doesn't work.

Hallelujah!

Leave the Game Alone for 3 years!No Rule Changes!

Do the Umpires a Favour!3 Field Umpires!Which Improves their Depth down the Chain,meaning very young Umpires aren't thrown to the Wolves elsewhere!