Adrian Dodoro
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:02 pm
How the f*** does this c*** still have a job? Been at the club 20 years and never delivered a list capable of winning a f****** final.
This clubs a joke.
This clubs a joke.
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I have vague memories of Hurley and Hooker being bagged weekly in this forum. I also remember Heppell, McGrath and Merrett also being critiicised.Windy_Hill wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:59 pm As pointed out recently in a similar discussion, our drafting has been hit and miss at best.
Since the late 2000s we can name but a handful of hits and sadly a truckload of misses
The Hits, players who I consider Above Average bordering Elite have been few and far between with most being Top 10 picks (so in reality, should be half decent)
Hooker
Hurley
Heppell
McGrath
Merrett
I refuse to count Houli as a failure by us. Who knew that soft cock would develop an edge? Remember him shitting himself when Crameri ran at him?BenDoolan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:41 pm Don't forget the ones we let go (and who would be regarded as flops if they stayed) in Ted Richards and Bachar Houli who went onto becoming top players in premiership teams.
The truth is, it doesn't matter who we recruit, our shit systems and programs just retards any talent the players may have. There are useless staff right throughout the whole footy department - and throughout the years. From the days when we had pizza restaurateur Paul Dimattina running around as skills coach to the current pillocks in charge fitness, performance, or whatever invented title they have these days. Termites. That's all they are. They have eaten the guts out of our club.
I can absolutely says this with confidence...had we selected Cyril Rioli, he would have played about 150 pissy games of footy and we would lump in the list of "failed draft selections". And had Hawthorn selected David Myers, he would be a club champion with 4 premierships under his belt.
But yes, FMD, surely to f*** we can move on from Dodoro. Twenty f****** years
Yes, but I think the point I’m making is that he went elsewhere and developed into the player he did. Same for Teddy. I suspect, in my opinion, they would have remained “ordinary” if they played out their careers at EFC.boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:06 amI refuse to count Houli as a failure by us. Who knew that soft cock would develop an edge? Remember him shitting himself when Crameri ran at him?BenDoolan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:41 pm Don't forget the ones we let go (and who would be regarded as flops if they stayed) in Ted Richards and Bachar Houli who went onto becoming top players in premiership teams.
The truth is, it doesn't matter who we recruit, our shit systems and programs just retards any talent the players may have. There are useless staff right throughout the whole footy department - and throughout the years. From the days when we had pizza restaurateur Paul Dimattina running around as skills coach to the current pillocks in charge fitness, performance, or whatever invented title they have these days. Termites. That's all they are. They have eaten the guts out of our club.
I can absolutely says this with confidence...had we selected Cyril Rioli, he would have played about 150 pissy games of footy and we would lump in the list of "failed draft selections". And had Hawthorn selected David Myers, he would be a club champion with 4 premierships under his belt.
But yes, FMD, surely to f*** we can move on from Dodoro. Twenty f****** years
Him becoming good is the definition of miracles do happen.
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While I agree our coaching and development leaves a lot to be desired Jobe is a shit example.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 amYes, but I think the point I’m making is that he went elsewhere and developed into the player he did. Same for Teddy. I suspect, in my opinion, they would have remained “ordinary” if they played out their careers at EFC.boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:06 amI refuse to count Houli as a failure by us. Who knew that soft cock would develop an edge? Remember him shitting himself when Crameri ran at him?BenDoolan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:41 pm Don't forget the ones we let go (and who would be regarded as flops if they stayed) in Ted Richards and Bachar Houli who went onto becoming top players in premiership teams.
The truth is, it doesn't matter who we recruit, our shit systems and programs just retards any talent the players may have. There are useless staff right throughout the whole footy department - and throughout the years. From the days when we had pizza restaurateur Paul Dimattina running around as skills coach to the current pillocks in charge fitness, performance, or whatever invented title they have these days. Termites. That's all they are. They have eaten the guts out of our club.
I can absolutely says this with confidence...had we selected Cyril Rioli, he would have played about 150 pissy games of footy and we would lump in the list of "failed draft selections". And had Hawthorn selected David Myers, he would be a club champion with 4 premierships under his belt.
But yes, FMD, surely to f*** we can move on from Dodoro. Twenty f****** years
Him becoming good is the definition of miracles do happen.
I don’t think Houli coming good is a miracle. Perhaps their programs enable their players to reach their potential or beyond.
As a quick example, Jobe Watson had to externally engage a boxing coach to get his fitness level to AFL standards. Really? WTF was our fitness department doing in this space? Jobe also engaged Greg Williams to help him develop his midfield skills. Again, WTF was our program in regards to this? Perhaps if we sent all our midfielders to the Jobe Watson personally organised “camp”, we could have had a premiership midfield by now.
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While I agree our coaching and development leaves a lot to be desired Jobe is a shit example.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 amYes, but I think the point I’m making is that he went elsewhere and developed into the player he did. Same for Teddy. I suspect, in my opinion, they would have remained “ordinary” if they played out their careers at EFC.boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:06 amI refuse to count Houli as a failure by us. Who knew that soft cock would develop an edge? Remember him shitting himself when Crameri ran at him?BenDoolan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:41 pm Don't forget the ones we let go (and who would be regarded as flops if they stayed) in Ted Richards and Bachar Houli who went onto becoming top players in premiership teams.
The truth is, it doesn't matter who we recruit, our shit systems and programs just retards any talent the players may have. There are useless staff right throughout the whole footy department - and throughout the years. From the days when we had pizza restaurateur Paul Dimattina running around as skills coach to the current pillocks in charge fitness, performance, or whatever invented title they have these days. Termites. That's all they are. They have eaten the guts out of our club.
I can absolutely says this with confidence...had we selected Cyril Rioli, he would have played about 150 pissy games of footy and we would lump in the list of "failed draft selections". And had Hawthorn selected David Myers, he would be a club champion with 4 premierships under his belt.
But yes, FMD, surely to f*** we can move on from Dodoro. Twenty f****** years
Him becoming good is the definition of miracles do happen.
I don’t think Houli coming good is a miracle. Perhaps their programs enable their players to reach their potential or beyond.
As a quick example, Jobe Watson had to externally engage a boxing coach to get his fitness level to AFL standards. Really? WTF was our fitness department doing in this space? Jobe also engaged Greg Williams to help him develop his midfield skills. Again, WTF was our program in regards to this? Perhaps if we sent all our midfielders to the Jobe Watson personally organised “camp”, we could have had a premiership midfield by now.
He was a lazy tubby little f*** who had an old man who was tough as nails and belted him until he came good. Greg Williams was actually a club initiated push.
Can you imagine punishing some of the little snowflakes now with boxing? Not just at our club, but at them all across the league. The trick is finding those blokes who already have the talent and don't need the old school tactics to get it out of them.
We fail miserably at that.
He met Williams due to his management, he did this after the club told him to.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:38 pmJobe is a good example of club failings v self initiated improvement...boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:33 pm[/code]Code: Select all
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While I agree our coaching and development leaves a lot to be desired Jobe is a shit example.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 amYes, but I think the point I’m making is that he went elsewhere and developed into the player he did. Same for Teddy. I suspect, in my opinion, they would have remained “ordinary” if they played out their careers at EFC.boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:06 amI refuse to count Houli as a failure by us. Who knew that soft cock would develop an edge? Remember him shitting himself when Crameri ran at him?BenDoolan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:41 pm Don't forget the ones we let go (and who would be regarded as flops if they stayed) in Ted Richards and Bachar Houli who went onto becoming top players in premiership teams.
The truth is, it doesn't matter who we recruit, our shit systems and programs just retards any talent the players may have. There are useless staff right throughout the whole footy department - and throughout the years. From the days when we had pizza restaurateur Paul Dimattina running around as skills coach to the current pillocks in charge fitness, performance, or whatever invented title they have these days. Termites. That's all they are. They have eaten the guts out of our club.
I can absolutely says this with confidence...had we selected Cyril Rioli, he would have played about 150 pissy games of footy and we would lump in the list of "failed draft selections". And had Hawthorn selected David Myers, he would be a club champion with 4 premierships under his belt.
But yes, FMD, surely to f*** we can move on from Dodoro. Twenty f****** years
Him becoming good is the definition of miracles do happen.
I don’t think Houli coming good is a miracle. Perhaps their programs enable their players to reach their potential or beyond.
As a quick example, Jobe Watson had to externally engage a boxing coach to get his fitness level to AFL standards. Really? WTF was our fitness department doing in this space? Jobe also engaged Greg Williams to help him develop his midfield skills. Again, WTF was our program in regards to this? Perhaps if we sent all our midfielders to the Jobe Watson personally organised “camp”, we could have had a premiership midfield by now.
He was a lazy tubby little f*** who had an old man who was tough as nails and belted him until he came good. Greg Williams was actually a club initiated push.
Can you imagine punishing some of the little snowflakes now with boxing? Not just at our club, but at them all across the league. The trick is finding those blokes who already have the talent and don't need the old school tactics to get it out of them.
We fail miserably at that.
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Either way (and I’ve actually heard Daddy Watson talk about this on air), this success was achieved outside of the club’s program.boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:05 pmHe met Williams due to his management, he did this after the club told him to.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:38 pmJobe is a good example of club failings v self initiated improvement...boncer34 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:33 pm[/code]Code: Select all
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While I agree our coaching and development leaves a lot to be desired Jobe is a shit example.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 amYes, but I think the point I’m making is that he went elsewhere and developed into the player he did. Same for Teddy. I suspect, in my opinion, they would have remained “ordinary” if they played out their careers at EFC.
I don’t think Houli coming good is a miracle. Perhaps their programs enable their players to reach their potential or beyond.
As a quick example, Jobe Watson had to externally engage a boxing coach to get his fitness level to AFL standards. Really? WTF was our fitness department doing in this space? Jobe also engaged Greg Williams to help him develop his midfield skills. Again, WTF was our program in regards to this? Perhaps if we sent all our midfielders to the Jobe Watson personally organised “camp”, we could have had a premiership midfield by now.
He was a lazy tubby little f*** who had an old man who was tough as nails and belted him until he came good. Greg Williams was actually a club initiated push.
Can you imagine punishing some of the little snowflakes now with boxing? Not just at our club, but at them all across the league. The trick is finding those blokes who already have the talent and don't need the old school tactics to get it out of them.
We fail miserably at that.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... 1db34.html
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cou ... 3acd5e8d12
He started the training in St Kilda because his Dad got in the ring with him early August 2005 and belted him around the ears to show how unfit he was. Up until that point Jobe resisted all the extra training sessions the club ordered him to, he'd been routinely told his fitness was shithouse and he needed to put in more.
Jobe didn't do either of those off his own bat.
It would make sense. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I suspect it would be coming from the AFLPA.s'dreams wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:40 pm Anyhow... could someone in the industry advise me on whether this is true?
Somewhere in the last couple of weeks I came across commentary that basically said that AFL players are restricted to 38 hours a week training off season and even less during season (I suppose club mandated training). This is to make it like a "standard job/workhours" (as if that exists unless you punch a clock-card).
I suppose players could train "in their own time" but there is supposed pressure from sports-scientists to stick to specific regimes.
Is this true?
Can't recall where I heard it, but yeah, it's a thing (for sure). Although I seem to recall it was less than 38 hours - maybe as low as 30.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:31 pmIt would make sense. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I suspect it would be coming from the AFLPA.s'dreams wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:40 pm Anyhow... could someone in the industry advise me on whether this is true?
Somewhere in the last couple of weeks I came across commentary that basically said that AFL players are restricted to 38 hours a week training off season and even less during season (I suppose club mandated training). This is to make it like a "standard job/workhours" (as if that exists unless you punch a clock-card).
I suppose players could train "in their own time" but there is supposed pressure from sports-scientists to stick to specific regimes.
Is this true?
Dodo gets them through the door. He aint responsible for what goes on after that ... especially what goes on between their ears which seems to be the biggest problem at the moment.nudder12 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:46 pm Lots of social media posts this weekend calling for Dodoro's head.
I disagree.
And here's a comment (from FB) that explains why I disagree.
"Stringer, Parish, Francis, Cox, Heppell, Wright, Perkins, Reid, Laverde, Langford, McGrath, Caldwell, Hobbs are all first round picks. Add in quality talent from beyond the first round in Merrett, Tippa, Jones, Ridley, Hind.
That's 18 players who are either first rounders or should have been in hindsight. The talent is there, the system is the issue and more accurately the team defensive more than anything".
And my view about that - "Correct. Someone that gets it. We have the talent. It's the system that's the problem, or, if it isn't the system then it's how the system is being explained. Coaching issue!! "
Agree.s'dreams wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:27 amDodo gets them through the door. He aint responsible for what goes on after that ... especially what goes on between their ears which seems to be the biggest problem at the moment.nudder12 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:46 pm Lots of social media posts this weekend calling for Dodoro's head.
I disagree.
And here's a comment (from FB) that explains why I disagree.
"Stringer, Parish, Francis, Cox, Heppell, Wright, Perkins, Reid, Laverde, Langford, McGrath, Caldwell, Hobbs are all first round picks. Add in quality talent from beyond the first round in Merrett, Tippa, Jones, Ridley, Hind.
That's 18 players who are either first rounders or should have been in hindsight. The talent is there, the system is the issue and more accurately the team defensive more than anything".
And my view about that - "Correct. Someone that gets it. We have the talent. It's the system that's the problem, or, if it isn't the system then it's how the system is being explained. Coaching issue!! "
Well we do have issues with size - a bigger bodied team kicks our ass regularly...but then a smaller faster team kicks it too! Then there's our speed... several times we've had the fastest trial times but the slowest games. Injuries and fitness should be looked at first. Then we need a mongrel mid who looks like a Collingwood flanker.BenDoolan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:11 amAgree.s'dreams wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:27 amDodo gets them through the door. He aint responsible for what goes on after that ... especially what goes on between their ears which seems to be the biggest problem at the moment.nudder12 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:46 pm Lots of social media posts this weekend calling for Dodoro's head.
I disagree.
And here's a comment (from FB) that explains why I disagree.
"Stringer, Parish, Francis, Cox, Heppell, Wright, Perkins, Reid, Laverde, Langford, McGrath, Caldwell, Hobbs are all first round picks. Add in quality talent from beyond the first round in Merrett, Tippa, Jones, Ridley, Hind.
That's 18 players who are either first rounders or should have been in hindsight. The talent is there, the system is the issue and more accurately the team defensive more than anything".
And my view about that - "Correct. Someone that gets it. We have the talent. It's the system that's the problem, or, if it isn't the system then it's how the system is being explained. Coaching issue!! "
Our shitness programs are second to none.
Myers before Rioli.... Will never forget that one.